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When Hell Came to Our Home Part 3

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There's some middle details, but we'll skip to the juicy bits. I'll fill them in later if I have the time.

Friday October 8


DHS-2 comes to our house. We've had problems with finding both the front and back door locks hanging half out of the door over the past few weeks (as well as both damage and cigarette butts in the backyard) so I've taken to locking the double-locked deadbolt all the time. Friday it's cranky from everything the door's been through and won't unlock for me. I go out the back door and come round the front to talk to DHS-2.

I tell her we're looking at houses nearer to where dh works, but they all need alterations. (We have two dozen poultry and henhouses are no longer standard issue.) The best looking one turned out to have problems on closer inspection, and may take months of repairs to get into shape, so we might not be able to move until spring.

DHS-2 expresses the hope that we would have already moved "So we won't have to involve the judge." She won't explain what she meant by that.

Previously she had brought boxes from the dollar store's leftovers to help me pack. I ask for more. She's surprised I've actually used the ones she brought. (Well duh, I have to pack for five people!) She says she'll be over with more boxes Tuesday or Wednesday.

Saturday October 9

2:45 we leave on a picnic and to do our monthly canned goods run. When we get home there's a strange message on our answering machine. According to *69, the call came at 3:27 yesterday afternoon and was from "662(local area code)/000-0000".

I'll try to upload the message later, but here's what we've been able to make out.

Male 1-Let me know cause I'm saying all you can commit -- if you bring a petula(?) it's going to be, "Hey you." Because she can't go out and commit the people but she can write them up. And you know, everybody should be told to bring somebody. So you know, you're paying for it.

Male 2-So you want me to tell her that, that I talked to you about it already right?



1-I don't have nothing.


2-Oh, okay

1- I told her that.


Female-Not Medicaid.

Male 3-Man I know a beep came on, that's all I heard.

1-Might be a blue card.

3-I guess.

Coincidentally(!) a medical record from the baby's birth was laying out of its folder on the counter about two feet from the phone with my husband's state-run Blue Cross health insurance number on it. We haven't had that folder open in over a year.

According to one source who wishes to remain anonymous who's heard the message, the male voices sound like members of the Sheriff's Department and the County Attorney's office.

We've talked to lawyers. We haven't found one who wants to touch this case. They say you take cases against the Sheriff's Department to the Attorney General. They also say the Attorney General's office won't do anything.

I don't know what will happen next.


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Oct. 10th, 2010 04:15 pm (UTC)
They really want you out of that house, don't they. What's remarkable is that they all seem to have 'Bad Guy' tattooed on their foreheads, but the people who should be taking notice of this aren't.
Oct. 10th, 2010 05:11 pm (UTC)
Oct. 10th, 2010 05:15 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - kickair8p - Oct. 10th, 2010 05:33 pm (UTC) - Expand
Oct. 10th, 2010 05:22 pm (UTC)
It sounds very much like someone in your Sheriffs dept (and possibly your DHS)is abusing their authority to do your unpleasant neighbour's bidding. (It also sounds like Bozo at least has long belonged on the other side of the uniform, and cell bars). Isn't there anyone higher up the LE foodchain you can contact, State Police or something? These sound like a right scary bunch of fuckers who have forced entry into your home AT LEAST twice, and are using their connections to cover their asses.
Oct. 10th, 2010 05:49 pm (UTC)
It's hard for me to watch Life on Mars, because 70s policing looks pretty good compared to what I'm used to.
Oct. 10th, 2010 05:28 pm (UTC)
JFC. I was wondering how life was going for you, but I never thought it would be this. I don't have any advice, but you're in my thoughts.
Oct. 10th, 2010 05:44 pm (UTC)
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Oct. 10th, 2010 05:54 pm (UTC)
I've always been afraid of something like that. :( If we were closer, I'd say you could board your chickens here for the duration so you could just get out.
Oct. 10th, 2010 05:58 pm (UTC)
Oh, god - I'm very glad you're getting out of that house - these people are NUTS! Good for you for getting the word out too, silence only helps them.

Anything we can do to help? If you need a deposit for a new place, I could throw in $20 (not much, but I bet I wouldn't be the only one).
Oct. 10th, 2010 06:06 pm (UTC)
And I thought the crap I'm experiencing with my neighbours was shit - at least the police is incompetent, not biased here... isn't there some sort of, you know, a national police supervison you could complain to about misconduct?
Oct. 10th, 2010 06:07 pm (UTC)
I was linked here by kickair8p.

What you do depends very strongly on where you live and the culture of the area.

First, regardless: get a cell phone that takes photos. Every time something happens take pictures and *immediately* upload them to the cloud (gmail, for instance). Take "before" photos now of all doors and windows.

2. document every contact, phone call, etc., to the web as it happens. Use LJ's post-by-cellphone if you lose phone service again.

3. If at *all* possible, do not let anyone into your house who hasn't shown you official ID. Take a photo of any ID they show you and send it to the cloud. If they won't let you take a photo, text the details on the ID to the cloud.

3. Here's where things get locale-specific. You need to go up multiple chains of authority at once:

a. police
b. DHS
c. political

a. police -- who is supposed to oversee the local Sherrifs? Who is supposed to oversee *them*? and so on up.

b. DHS -- get names. Get the name of their supervisors. Get names of *their* supervisors.

c. your state rep. may be able to help you via their "constituent services".

Then there's the newspapers: local, less local, statewide.
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Re: Gotta love the internet - crabby_lioness - Oct. 11th, 2010 03:43 am (UTC) - Expand
Oct. 10th, 2010 06:16 pm (UTC)
I know you don't know me directly, but this is very similar to the utter hell we've lived with for the past year. We're just now starting to scrape our life back together and seriously, if you have to beg, borrow or steal to do it: Get a lawyer, and get him working with you now. Chase DFS around and make them give you a written list of what they want from you, and make them sign it off as you complete them. Take pictures of your house - yourself - and make sure there are dates. Chase police, sheriff's offices and anyone you have to chase so you know what's going on. Make calls, ask about charges and actiosn that may be pending, call the damn state attorney if you have to (commonwealth attorney in Virginia, district attorney other places) or think they may try to press criminal charges.
Oct. 10th, 2010 06:35 pm (UTC)
Also: Take your kids to the doctor. Take yourself for a mental health evaluation or to the doctor. Keep records and dates for all of it. Do anything you can to make yourself active rather than reactive. Stay a step ahead of them as much as you can, basically.

If you think they're going to file criminal charges (or might) get a lawyer now.

If you think they're going to try to commit you, get that mental health assessment done on your time, with someone you trust and isn't in their pocket.

If you think they're going to claim abuse, get the kids to the doctor and get their homeschooling records/test results in hand now.

No matter how scary it gets, the worst thing you can do right now is sit still and see what they're going to do next. Don't hide, and if you run - run toward them, screaming and flailing and armed with paperwork and information.


If there's anything I can do/you need advice or someone to talk to. My email is bhoadley@gmail.com
(no subject) - crabby_lioness - Oct. 10th, 2010 06:49 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - becky_h - Oct. 10th, 2010 06:50 pm (UTC) - Expand
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Oct. 10th, 2010 06:35 pm (UTC)
Hi! Here from a link at darthhellokitty

OMG this is so creepy. What could be the reason for this harassment? Do you own the land you're living on, and if not, who does? There may be some sort of ploy to get you to leave so that the neighbors can purchase it from some vulnerable older owner or something. Are they bothered by the chickens? Are they just crackpot weirdos?

Can't think of other reasons why anyone would want to do anything so crazy to your family. Can you get moved nearer the town where your husband works, even if you have to give up the poultry or keep them on a nearby farm? Staying there just sounds very unsafe for you and your kids.
Oct. 10th, 2010 06:53 pm (UTC)
We own clear title to the land, thanks to a few years of beans & rice. Both properties on either side of us are too small to qualify for an FHA loan -- unless they added our property to their property. The other neighbor already asked to buy it, but we're not interested in selling right now. It'll take ages to fully move our stuff.

The poultry isn't a problem. There's people who'll take care of them for the eggs.
Oct. 10th, 2010 06:58 pm (UTC)
This is terrible, and sounds very much like a systematic campaign to get you off your property, and destroy your credibility in the process. becky_h's suggestions are great ones, and I'd add: enlist any and all local friends and support that you have -- don't let them isolate you. I also agree that you need to get off the defensive, even if taking additional precautions is wise (e.g. if you have to make grocery or errands runs, see if a couple of trusted friends can keep an eye on your place). Safety comes first, of course, but being proactive is also your best defense. Good luck, and keep people here posted -- if you feel comfortable with giving your general geographical location or even your state, we may be able to come up with more specific resources in your area.
Oct. 10th, 2010 07:08 pm (UTC)
ABSOLUTELY seconded. Do not isolate yourself because you are embarrassed or ashamed. Find your friends and talk, talk and talk some more. Those people will be worth their weight in gold, every step of the day.
Oct. 10th, 2010 07:22 pm (UTC)
There have to be supervisors somewhere - DHS, the police, etc. If that doesn't work, I love the media idea. Everywhere you can - tv, newspaper, all of it. Get the word out what they're doing to you with names.

Good luck.
Oct. 11th, 2010 08:34 am (UTC)
As I suggested below - the overall authority covering corrupt behaviour by government officials, police included, is in fact the FBI.

I checked.
(no subject) - raynedanser - Oct. 11th, 2010 08:37 pm (UTC) - Expand
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Oct. 13th, 2010 05:17 pm (UTC)
Um, but if you're uploading your official documentation with all of the numbers and information clearly visible, make absolutely sure that you put as many security locks on it as possible. The last thing you need on top of all this is random identity theft.

Just as an addendum.
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(no subject) - magharabi - Oct. 13th, 2010 06:07 pm (UTC) - Expand
Oct. 10th, 2010 08:39 pm (UTC)
Hi, here via darthhellokitty's link and completely appalled by what's happening to you. It seems completely unthinkable that such awful things should happen to such ordinary, well-meaning people. I can't offer anything in the way of advice, but know that I'll be thinking of you and hoping you manage to get this all sorted out. *lots and lots of hugs*
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